Is captain ginyu in his original body?

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Is captain ginyu in his original body?
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No. 20	Dec 30 2013, 02:56 PM Post #16
Posts: 81 Group: Member Member #9,389 Joined: April 17, 2013	Alex KloonBoss Dec 30 2013, 02:49 PM I don't think he changed his body. Why should he do that when being already a captain , 2nd strongest fighter of the PTO behind Frieza? That doesn't make much sense. He may of not always been that strong. Maybe he became Captain after rising through the ranks/changing forms of others while out on missions? Maybe he wasn't even originally one of Frieza's men but was a native of an invaded planet that just took the identity of a Ginyu Force Captain? With his technique and the lack of back-story on this character, anything is possible and in my example probable.



Alex D. Boss	Dec 30 2013, 03:02 PM Post #17
Posts: 8,688 Group: Probation Member #8,536 Joined: November 8, 2012 Gender Male Country Canada	What do you mean? Zarbon , Dodoria , Cui and all other fighters were just "that" strong without mentioning to train.



No. 20	Dec 30 2013, 03:18 PM Post #18
Posts: 81 Group: Member Member #9,389 Joined: April 17, 2013	Alex KloonBoss Dec 30 2013, 03:02 PM What do you mean? Zarbon , Dodoria , Cui and all other fighters were just "that" strong without mentioning to train. What are you talking even talking about? Cui, Dodoria and Zarbon weren't even close to Ginyu....and besides what does that have to do with whether or not Ginyu has changed bodies before? Edited by No. 20, Dec 30 2013, 03:19 PM.



Alex D. Boss	Dec 30 2013, 03:27 PM Post #19
Posts: 8,688 Group: Probation Member #8,536 Joined: November 8, 2012 Gender Male Country Canada	Because of this: The Doctor Dec 30 2013, 02:56 PM That doesn't make much sense. He may of not always been that strong. Maybe he became Captain after rising through the ranks/changing forms of others while out on missions? Maybe he wasn't even originally one of Frieza's men but was a native of an invaded planet that just took the identity of a Ginyu Force Captain? With his technique and the lack of back-story on this character, anything is possible and in my example probable. I don't see this kinda way. Ginyu being a captain of a force should be able to be that strong. The same Captain who can power up to his max. How come he doesn't handle Goku's body?



No. 20	Dec 30 2013, 03:37 PM Post #20
Posts: 81 Group: Member Member #9,389 Joined: April 17, 2013	Alex KloonBoss Dec 30 2013, 03:27 PM Because of this: The Doctor Dec 30 2013, 02:56 PM That doesn't make much sense. He may of not always been that strong. Maybe he became Captain after rising through the ranks/changing forms of others while out on missions? Maybe he wasn't even originally one of Frieza's men but was a native of an invaded planet that just took the identity of a Ginyu Force Captain? With his technique and the lack of back-story on this character, anything is possible and in my example probable. I don't see this kinda way. Ginyu being a captain of a force should be able to be that strong. The same Captain who can power up to his max. How come he doesn't handle Goku's body? I already explained possibly why he could not handle Goku's body, I do not want to repeat myself. Go back and read. You seem to think Ginyu was always as powerful as he was....when there is no evidence to suggest that.



+ Emmeth	Dec 30 2013, 04:48 PM Post #21
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Alex D. Boss	Dec 30 2013, 05:05 PM Post #22
Posts: 8,688 Group: Probation Member #8,536 Joined: November 8, 2012 Gender Male Country Canada	Or maybe this: http://dbzf.co.uk/single/?p=8462490&t=8355724 I'm not trying to ignore Daiz statements. But it questions me. Edited by Alex D. Boss, Dec 30 2013, 05:06 PM.



No. 20	Dec 30 2013, 05:08 PM Post #23
Posts: 81 Group: Member Member #9,389 Joined: April 17, 2013	Alex KloonBoss Dec 30 2013, 05:05 PM Or maybe this: http://dbzf.co.uk/single/?p=8462490&t=8355724 I'm not trying to ignore Daiz statements. But it questions me. So what? That doesn't prove anything. Ginyu could still have been born a powerful fighter and still found someone stronger before he met Goku. Or he was just pretending to be born powerful considering we don't know exactly how long Jheese knew Ginyu before DBZ.



Alex D. Boss	Dec 30 2013, 05:17 PM Post #24
Posts: 8,688 Group: Probation Member #8,536 Joined: November 8, 2012 Gender Male Country Canada	The Doctor Dec 30 2013, 05:08 PM Alex KloonBoss Dec 30 2013, 05:05 PM Or maybe this: http://dbzf.co.uk/single/?p=8462490&t=8355724 I'm not trying to ignore Daiz statements. But it questions me. So what? That doesn't prove anything. Ginyu could still have been born a powerful fighter and still found someone stronger before he met Goku. Or he was just pretending to be born powerful considering we don't know exactly how long Jheese knew Ginyu before DBZ. So you're telling me that Jeice was stronger than Ginyu before that? Ginyu flat out states no one except them can be at that level.



No. 20	Dec 30 2013, 05:24 PM Post #25
Posts: 81 Group: Member Member #9,389 Joined: April 17, 2013	Alex KloonBoss Dec 30 2013, 05:17 PM The Doctor Dec 30 2013, 05:08 PM Alex KloonBoss Dec 30 2013, 05:05 PM Or maybe this: http://dbzf.co.uk/single/?p=8462490&t=8355724 I'm not trying to ignore Daiz statements. But it questions me. So what? That doesn't prove anything. Ginyu could still have been born a powerful fighter and still found someone stronger before he met Goku. Or he was just pretending to be born powerful considering we don't know exactly how long Jheese knew Ginyu before DBZ. So you're telling me that Jeice was stronger than Ginyu before that? Ginyu flat out states no one except them can be at that level. Yes, at THAT point in the series! Maybe you don't understand the topic of this thread. We are discussing whether or not Ginyu is in his original body from when he was born. Jeice is irrelevent because we don't know how much they know about each other or how long the Ginyu force has existed. Maybe the Ginyu forced was created after Ginyu changed with the Purple horned-body? You don't know either way. It is very possible that Ginyu's original body was like Guldo, very weak and powerless but with his ability he learned how to fight by taking the bodies of stronger opponents over years.... Edited by No. 20, Dec 30 2013, 05:25 PM.



bardock1990	Dec 31 2013, 10:28 AM Post #26
Posts: 1,078 Group: Member Member #8,530 Joined: November 6, 2012	Yes, otherwise he wouldn't have been so confident with the move if he had never succesfully used it before. Does anybody else get the feeling that Ginyu's trick was something that was made up in a rushed decision? Like they were thinking "Well damn, Goku is about to whoop Ginyu with ease now, lets try to give Ginyu a chance with this crazy move".



Ripator	Jan 1 2014, 09:24 AM Post #27
Posts: 153 Group: Member Member #10,477 Joined: November 12, 2013 Gender Male Favourite Anime Dragon Ball z What Browser do you use? Google crome Favourite Manga Dragon Ball	I'm gonna have to go with no, mainly because he would have known about the whole getting used to the body thing. Although both sides bring up good arguments. Im interested to see how this turns out



SSJ	Jan 1 2014, 03:46 PM Post #28
Posts: 16,377 Group: General Member #8,258 Joined: September 8, 2012 Gender Female Country Sweden Favourite Anime Psycho Pass, Steins;Gate, Fullmetal Alchemist: Brotherhood Favourite Manga One Piece, Berserk, Rurouni Kenshin, Gantz	Alright, allow me to end the confusion here, and confirm why Ginyu was not in his original body. Daizenshuu 7 He performed Body Change each time he met a strong opponent, and so only a few people know his original form. http://web.archive.org/web/20111103154354/http://kanzentai.com/trans-daiz07.php?m=03&id=character_g-i There is already one direct confirmation from the guidebook. The second is what Professor Gohan alluded to. Professor Gohan Sauzer More cold-hearted than a machine! A cool leader!! Home World: Planet Coola No.98 (formerly known as Planet Brench) Battle Power: 170,000 Profile: He has a small frame due to being born on a planet with high gravity. However, this makes him very agile on other planets. He is very intelligent, capable of speaking 7,000 space languages. He fought with Ginyu to be leader of the Armored Squad, and is one of the people who know Ginyu’s true form. He and Jheese of the Special Squad come from the same star system, which has two suns. I can't find where this one is located, but I trust Prof is giving us real evidence here. This is a second, absolutely direct statement saying that he has changed before. Here is the Diazenshuu 7 description of the Body Change attack. Daizenshuu 7 Characteristics Crying "Change!!", he fires a dazzling light at his opponent from out of his entire body. After being covered by this light, his opponent is drawn into Ginyu's body through the mouth, and they exchange bodies. In order to exchange consciousness with his opponent, the user of this technique has a ball of his own consciousness invade his opponent's body through the mouth, and he obtains their body. It takes some time for both people to get used to their switched bodies, and during that time they are unable to freely control their power. (Daizenshuu 2, p.212 / Daizenshuu 4, p.58) Now, here is a common argument that is stemmed from this attack description: Argument If Ginyu has done it before, why was he surprised when he could only use 23 000 of Goku's power? Simple. Ginyu did know that he wasn't going to be able to use all of Goku's power. Why would he ask Jeice to get a scouter reading if he was sure he would be at 180 000? He must have known that his power would be lower, it's just that it was much lower than expected. Why would that be? Perhaps because Goku is a true master of ki, and Ginyu hadn't changed body with anyone like that before. Chapter: 288 (DBZ 94), P12.1-3 Context: Goku encouraging Gohan and Kuririn to fight Ginyu Goku: “Th-that’s Ginyu! Don’t hesitate, take him out…! The way you are now, you definitely can’t lose! Alright…?! Blow him away…!” Ginyu: “Blow me away?...Fuhahaha…! You idiot! You say they can’t lose!? This is your former body! It’s battle power is over 180,000! There’s no way they can win!” Goku: “You’ll understand once you give it a try. That’s my body…Can you perform a Kaio-Ken, or even properly use its ki…?! You can’t put forth a large power unless your mind and body are one…!” Ginyu simply wasn't able to effectively control Goku's ki like he thought he would have been able to. Kamikaze Pyro According to Akira Toriyama, Ki is made up of three parts - genki (energy), yuuki (bravery), and shouki (being in one's right mind). Goku had mastered this concept, being trained by Kami and Kaio. Ginyu, although having the ability to freely alter his battle power, didn't have this luxury in his life, so he wouldn't be on Goku's level in that area. If one's full power comes from how good your body, mind, and spirit are, then perhaps that is why Ginyu couldn't access even half of Goku's full power - most of his power came from his body. Had Goku been allotted more time in Ginyu's body and not been injured, it's entirely plausible to think he would've been able to use all of the power Ginyu's body possessed. Basically, a good chunk of Goku's power came from his mind and spirit, and one cannot simply access that power by taking his body, while Ginyu's power came from his body and he likely only swapped bodies with beings who were only powerful because of their bodies. So essentially, Ginyu is not surprised because he had never done it before. He is surprised because Goku was an extremely special case, and the body change did not go as expected. Edited by SSJ, Jan 1 2014, 03:49 PM.



Hurry My Curry	Jan 1 2014, 05:08 PM Post #29
Master Troll Posts: 3,800 Group: Members Member #7,981 Joined: July 20, 2012 Favourite Anime Dragon Ball What Browser do you use? Firefox Favourite Manga Dragon Ball	Probably not, Jeice knows about Ginyus technique swap before he uses it on Goku.
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